Tags: syed talat hussain, urdu column
why are u asking for further explanations from the questioner who has the full right to ask boys for their performance…but not asking the questioned ones to explain their position on the security matter… how on earth a city full of security forces around with n-number of check-posts getting targeted every other week??? when they will answer for their failures??
Lolzzzzzzzz, My Dear Babar , i don’t know that you live on which country. Pakistan Army consists of .7 Million , out of which roughly .2 million engaged at Fata, .2 at Kashmir and eastern borders. The forces are left with .3 and you can take out some ratio for administration purpose and now tell me that how can a .15 lac force look after the 180 Million people ???????????????? I have seen people who always blame the Pakistani forces , but first clean the shit of our judiciary , our political culprits , our Police culture etc . There were reports lately that Mr Chief Justice released so many culprits because of insufficient evidences or grant a minimum punishment to the culprits . Plesae tell me that in which country there is a rule that “any person found involved in spy activities will be released on bail” ?????????/ I know that the rule is all the enemy spy or enemy agents should be hanged (This followed in the whole world). Mr Shahzain Bugti has been stopped and apprehended by Agencies at Queeta with weapons , bombs , rocket launchers . But Mr Shah zain Bugti gtets bail because his gurantee had been given by the son of Shahbaz Shariff and the bail was sentenced by our judiciary , now tell me Mr Baber what else you want from Agencies ?????????? Can you give some solution that how our agencies work to apprehend the culprits , terrorists etc ????????????/
its not that simple, if all the other institutions are not working, we blame them day n night, y not army & intelligence agencies. they r not holy cows. they must b accountable b4 the parliament. due to them we r in a mess. this is military incorporate, not pakistan army. its not fashion to blame them. they r the ones who r bhind separation of east pakistan. its high time v shud curtail them & make them accountable.
Especially to clarifiy Mr. Hassan:
Nice question in the end “Can you give some solution that how our agencies work to apprehend the culprits , terrorists etc ????”
At frist learn to obey the civilians because they have public mendate, your narrow minds are’nt even able to think of some successfull military stretegy (Kargil operation in the light of General Shahid Aziz interviews) let alone the civilian matters and governance. So first and foremost is just concentrate on your job assigned by civilian setup and not Obama & company (By alowing safe Abottabad operation).
Secondly, stop smuggling effectively, especially end corruption in Afghan transit trade.
Thridly, stop being a partner in Bhatta revenue from Karachi collected by “Bhai”.
Fourth, Either try to win a single inch of lost soils from India or just shut your propeganda up against the civilians, as in the past Musharraf bent more before India (Aagra Summit) than a respectable position attained by civilan set up in 1999.
Fifth, you niether have training nor capability to run governments and their matters. Therefore, do what you are asked to do as a paid employee like other departments. Stop having your own filters on what to do what not to. (ISI chief denial to PM Yousaf raza gilani for investigating Bombay terror links jointly).
Last and but not the least, If you still are’nt convinced on civilian supremacy than why the hell you allow them to form governments, just make rule that from now onwards Army shall by default rule this country to stop all arguments like above ???
@ Ali Raza , Now let me answer about your some funny statements .
You talked and suggested about Gen Shahid Aziz theory of Kargil Failure!!!!!!! The General Officer who doesn’t know that Air Force can’t operate in Kargil mountains as F-16 Need a stand off distance of 5/7 Aeronautical Miles and you started believing him??????? Man you are too genius.Then what about the recement statement of Indian Army Chief that Kargil was the biggest success of Gen Musharraf ????????????? You talked about Corruption in Afghan Trade , there is no role of Army in that. Its the job of Khasadar’s and FC which is under command political government . Presently the political government at KPK is of PTI . The CM pervaiz Khattak is a known smuggler and drug runner , if you have doubt then please go to Nowshera and check from the local people !!!!!!!!! Still you have doubts then consult recent newspapers , if still doubts then tell me , i will send you evidences Bhatta revenue????????????? For god sake for the last 5 years , it was PTI who was supporting Bhai and MQM , there was a silent agreement , every1 knows that . how come forces are part of that??????????????? You talk about losing slot , we lost Bangladesh because of you sort of civilians , It was Gen Ayub who introduced one vote system in whole Pakistan and as per that system when Mujeeb won the General elections, Mr Bhutto started protests/striukes and changed the political system!!!!!!!!! Wow Bhutto was a very nice trained and so called born politician as per your theory???????/ Lolzzzzzzzzz, First try to know about Army selection criteria , they are trained as leaders , i totally accept that its not the job of Army to run the country , but when you people produced your so called efficient and trained leaders like Zardari , Nawaz , Bhai or Imran Khan , then what should forces do??????????? For people like you , i remeber a quote of Great Salah ud Din Ayubi (RA) that when you want to conquer some country/city then poison the minds of its nation against their defenders . So my dear , firstly try to learn how to talk and how to do a decent debate , About your narrow mind comment , i can also blab , but i will not !!!!!!!!!!!!!! as this is the difference between you and me .
@ Hassan’s reply:
1) If General Shahid Aziz is such a dumb than goodness gracious me, Now i can very well understand hoiw such fools can reach the top of the Army. Please do not say later on that he was promoted by stupid people of pakistan.
Secondly, You Mr. Genius Musharraf did not calculated in his mind that how he shall counter the IAF ? Secondly he went into it without PAF Chief’s support, do u know this ? I as bloody civilian can think of at least equipping my soldiers for SAM missiles if i don’t want to use my airforce. But Genious like Musharraf are born after centuries, who even do not trust his own Corps commanders while launching this mission. What a unique piece of wisdom !!!
2) Political government of KPK and Baluchistan have admitted their lack of authority on FC ? Every month you kill one MPA of PTI to give them a clear message “beta agli baari tum main say kisi kee bhi ho sakti hai”
Have you got any proof against the baseless allegations on Pervaiz Khattak ?
For goodness sake dont mention these mohalla report if that is what our intelligence agencies are relying on !!!
3) It was IK who spoke openly against Altaf for murder charges of Aapa Zohra. Before elections it was just a “hikmat-e-amli” to stop opening a new front against any other party than PMLN.
4) All karachi fighters are on finger tips of many people, If forces really have a resolve why cant they get them ?? Secondly, There are clearly barrocaded zones in Karachi where no one can enter be it Rangers or Army. I suggest you first make your writt in Karachi before going into barren Baluchistan.
Can you deny existance of “No go” Areas in Karachi ????? if not than it should not be difficult to understand who is siding MQM in all sorts of Bhatta collections. According to tough estimate more than 400 Billion is collected in Bhatta per annum, this easily makes up half of our Army’s budget. What a nice to earn illegal means without any chance of Audit later on !!! hmmmmmm sounds yummy na !!!
4) Luckily it was not civilians like me who made more than 100,000 women pregnant because the commander of eastern comand said that “Can you expect a JAWAN to eat here drink here sleep here and for sex go to Jehlum and Chackwal ? ”
Please listen to Genral Jamshed Gulzar Kiyani’s interview just 3 months before he died (or got killed).
5) Was’nt it General Ayub who defeated Mohtarma Fatima Jinnah (Mader-e-millat) and became a m*****r f****r. Later when he saw that people have started to ask questions of his rule enforced Pakistan into a war with India in 1965, which should have been at the time of 1962 when India was engaged with China ??? Army have never lacked Brillient minds like Ayub and Musharraf.
6) With the above examples one can easily learn about the unique “Selection” and “Training” of army that happens no where else except our beloved Pakistan.
The only training visible is conquering the own country which is a skill lacking in all other highly skilled and equiped armies of the world. Congratulations on achieveing such unique abilities !!!!!
I wish if army could get back an inch of lost soils to India rather than insisting in showing Kashmir as part of Pakistan on the map only ???
7) If we bloody civilians are so dumb than why dont you just take over and wrap this political drama up forever as all men in army are more or less angels ??
8) I am sure while quoting Ayubi you ll remeber his famous quote that “When the rulers give priority to their own protection first than they are no more capable to protect the people” Did you ever see Kiyani’s motorcade ??
What would have Ayubi asked for when two helicopter came into Abbottabad right in the heart of your esteemed training academy ???
Kucch sharam mehsoos hui ???
Itni hee gahirat kuro kum uz eik drone hee gira do, baaqi kamon tou poochtay nahin ho civilans ko zara naik kaam bhi kur kay dikha do ???
If you need reference for any of my claims please do let me know, other Hamoodur-Rehamn report ko kabhi study kur lena !!! Insha Allah afaaqa ho ga
@ Ali Raza’s Reply
My Dear Ali Raza Sahab, let me answer your queries I am impressed with your in depth knowledge about tactics , You talk about Airforce which i clearly said that Airforce or F-16 Can’t operate at Kashmir in a dog fight as they need some stand off distnce , regarding your Sam Missle querry , i think the two Mig which were destroyed by Pakistan Aarmy at Tiger hills were hit by Stinger Missles (Man you are so funny). Now come over to selection criteria of Gen Shahid , My simple question from you , when he was in Uniform why he never uttered anything and why after 10 years when he was heading PTI’s Think Tank Chapter Man thats bad . Regarding Your baseless allegations against Pervaiz Khattk , i am pasting some links
The Nation http://www.nation.com.pk/E-Paper/Islamabad/2013-06-19/page-2/detail-7
Regarding Your drone Attack Queey , after Abbotabad’s incident in parlimant, an in camera session was carried out in which Deputy Air Chief has clearly said that we can hit drones , we need permission of sitting governmnet , then why your beloved PTI never took a stand that Award Forces the permission to hit drones???????????
You negate that PTI and MQM were not friends , yea the enemity started after Zahra Aapa , She was a good lady . But what about 25th Decemeber Jalsa , MQM allowed it to happen , the banners were installed in Karachi 20 days ago , no body removed the banners etc , Should i tell yoiu the date and time when IK Altaf Bhai talkled on phone and agreed on silent pact??????????????? If you have got doubts then ask from Imran Ismail’s or Khan’s PA Mr Tahir Ayub , Lolzzzzzzzzzz
You talked about the cavalcade of Mr Kiani, What about the cavalcade of Mr Pervaiz Khattak or Mr Asad Qaisar ??????????? There in none Corps Commander who is having a Category 6 Bulletproof vehicle , Mr Imran Khan is having that.
You talked about killing of PTI MPA’s . Man, You are funny Mr Farid Khan and Mr Sajid Mohmand both were independent MPA’s and they joined PTI during the formation of Government .
You talked about ruling of Army, Your Khan sahab has said that if i will fail, i will leave politics , so tell me that how much progress is happeneing at KPK???????????? The killings , abductions , bomb blasts or power outage is stopped???????????
Agar meray Jawaboon say constipation hoo gai hay toh medicine lay laina afaaka hoo ga :p
Material evidence agar may nay yahan discole ker deay to shayad tumhain heart attack hoo jaeyyy , chahyea huay toh mujhay email kar dainna chanda
@ Hassan reply on 21st June.
My apologies for late reply as I thought you have finally digested my thoughts of 19th June but seems that its a situation of just non-profitable discussion.
Please see your self if you have addressed the concerns/comments raised by me in my previous comments. I leave this judgement on you.
Now I would just clarify some of the baseless allegations on IK first and counter allegation to hide yourself is not PTI’s policy.
Please stop spreading hoax about any secret deal between Altaf and Khan sahib. Its merely beating about the bush without any valid or authentic proof. I know that track record of our forces is always good at spreading hoax rather any thing concrete.
As regards the matter of Pervaiz khattak you did not provide any proofs of his corruption as promised (lolzzzzzz) but just sent me news reports about so called wrong transfer of one police officer, a few secretaries appointment whic by all means is his right. Whats the point of bringing in such petty allegations ?
Now Khan sahib is leader of a great stature who has never done any corruption in his life not like your Mr Musharraf and his paltoo Kiyani (both under american leash). btw did you tested kiyani’s character against Ayubi’s statement that i told you in my previous comment ????
What can PTI do in the matter of drones as its a federal subject ?? but tell me one thing if an airplane comes from india to do such surgical strike in muridkay, will you ask for the government’s permission to shoot it down ???
Kamal hai jahan phat jaati hai wahan government pay daal detay ho aur baqi apni murzi kurtay ho ??? sharam nahin aati in double standards pay ???
Tum jaisay tunkhaw dar sipahi is watn kee hifazat usi tarah kurtay jaisay Abbottabad main hui ya aaj tak apnay hee mulk ko loot khasoot kay kha rehay ho. Laikin eik baat yaad rukhna jab is qaum pay koi bura waqt aaya tou meray jaisay beghair tunkhwah walay sur phiray aagay aain gay tum log albattah us waqt pait main durd ka bahana kur chhutti pay chalay jana.
Khan sahib pay keechar uchhalnay say tumhaari gundi aur beemaar zehniyyat ka andaaza khoob ho jata hai. Jao apni is nakara fauj ko khud apni hifazat kee salahyyat hee sikha do. Apnay aap ko tunkhaw daar mulazim samjha kuro, aaqa nahin. aur apni auqaat ko jitna juldi pehchan lo gay tumharay aur is qaum kay huq main utna achha hai.
Ali Raza Reply on 24th June
Sorry Partner , i was away that’s why i was not able to reply your baseless allegations . Lolzzzzz
You talk about material evidences then tell me your e mail ID , i will forward you the pics and video’s of the renovation done at Circuit House Nowshera . Talk about PK’s corruption, those links were enough. If they would had been against PPP or PML N or Army, You sort of a Internet Inqillabia would had raised hugh and cries about corruption, Lolzzzzzz, another link for you
You talk about Hoax of PTI and Altaf (Lolzzz First of All Hoax is not the correct word , either used rumor or Propaganda) . Chanda , about your proof’s statement , i have given the proofs that either ask from Ik’s PA Tahir Iqbal (Should i provide you his number) ask from Mr Naeem ul Haue or Mr Imran Ismail. You will get confirmation
You said Musharraf and Kiyani as Paltoo (Bad wording) Lolzzzz About Musharraf & Kiyani, no body said and proved that they were , rather it is the claim of US that Musharraf played double game and Us lost Afganistan War because of Musharraf . Yea about your Ik , everybody said that he is US & Isreali Paltu . It is the stance of PML N , JUI (F) MQM etc etc (Ab itnay Ziada loog kethay hain toh kuch toh sachaii hay na)
Now you said about Drones , Lolzzz, Your PTI is at Govt in KPK , Your PTI is at Opposition in Punjab and National Assembly , why they don’t come up with the resolution of hitting drones??????????? why they are not doing opposition?????????? why they are not carrying out sit inn’s , protest against drones???????? Federal Budget etc??????????
You talk about Tankhawa, Lolzzzzzz, Abay baywakoof , konsi Maa upni baitay ko 50000 ka baichti hay???????
May be your mother can do that , as you are good for nothing. You just shit on Internet and talk about Patritism and Loyalty , You pussy , what you had done for this country and in Life ( except blabing against Army) ????????? Nothing , you can’t do anything and you can be a hero only on net and in your dreams. Yoiu talk about that when time will come then i will be better than Military Guys , Lolzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Prove it . How many times you have provided information against MQM guys or ANP Guys to Police , Rangers etc etc that they are getting extortion money from this or that person???????? How mnay times you have provided information that in our neighbourhood there is a gambling den , interrogation centre etc etc
You never did and you will never did , You sort of a people are disgrace for this country . You compare yourself with Military guys , You say they get pays , Baygairtat Aadmi , aao may tumhain dugni pay daita hoon, zara upni chaaati pay gooli khaooo. Tum jaisay loog toh Pastool daikh ker Tangooo may dum daba kar bhaag jatay hooo.
@ Hassan’s reply on 24th.
my email is firstname.lastname@example.org and I am looking forward to see if you got anything substantial other than flase claims.
Having said that most of my objections in the above comments are unanswered, please find an answer for them.
Now to your allegations in link. did you noticed that IK banned Pervaiz khattak for using helicopter at al.
Regarding IK’s being an agent of any one, your argument is so stupid that its like saying if four persons says you are bastard it means you are bastard !!! wow what an intelligent thinking.
You know very well that drones are federal subject how can PTI handle them ? & yes they are excercising pressure on fed govt by democratic tactics and you see that there is no drone strike after the formation of new govt niether it will be (insha Allah). You bloody chaps did not even knew that your behnois (Drones) were flying from Pakistani soils for many years. What an efficient military ??
Now for 50,000 every month, i think more than 40% population living below the poverty line would readily agree to send their sons as bread earners if its at cost of risk of their lives in a probability of 1 in 100. Less than 0.1 % of total armed forces have been killed in encounters. itna risk tou gudhay say gir kur murnay ka bhi hota hai (lolzzzz). Baray aai bahaduri kay champion, eik inch apni lost soild ka hee hasil kur kay dikha do meray piyaray juwano, hur waqt apni dhurti maan kee chhaati pay moong daltay rehtay ho. Chori aur seena zori kee bhi koi had hoti hai.
Waisay bhi chanda tum jaisay log military main goli khanay nahin lungar khanay aatay ho, aur khawbon main gerneli hee dekhtay ho aur phir duain mangtay ho kay hum bhi baray ho kay martial law lugain aur khoob khain !!! Dil na chahtay huay bhi tum jaisay humsai kee auladon pay lanat bhejnay ko dil kurta hai jo hud harami ko apna shuar bunai huay hain.
Aur rahi baat qurbanion kee tou, I did wanted to mention it but since one asked i am revealing it. My uncle and his friend lost their lives at chawinda border in sialkot in Sep 1965 while bringing the wounded persons from the battle field and both of them were volunteers not “PAID” soldiers. My brother participated in kashmir jihad for three years and finally came back disabled by landing his foot on an IED.
I hope you might know the difference between fighting for money and fighting for Allah. btw another of my cousine who is from SSG, told me that once they conducted a raid in Faisalabad with FBI personnel and persons that they captured pleaded them them to shoot them at site but give them to FBI but you know what they were handed over to FBI in the end. This is the reality of forces in Pakistan now, please come out of dreams as soon as possible.
currently “they” are busy in building askari’s and dha’s, when they’ll get time they’ll definitly answer these questions dont worry
THIS IS FASHION THESE DAYS TO BLAME ARMY AND AGENCIES
You are also an informed person, so why dunt you speak what you know…
Second when Lashkar e Jhangvi says that they did such and such then why are they operating in the country? Are they stronger than agencies? Are they stronger than Army or Are they backed by Army and agencies…Come on kuch tu sahe he na ismen se????
WHy Malik Ishak gets released every time he is kept in jail?? once he is released they start operating again…so why is he released? who is funding him? which type of support he has in Pakistan???
do you really dunt know this????
@ Rubab , i think you don’t read newspapers , Two days after the oath taking of Mr Shahbaz Shariff , there were news reports that 650 plus people of banned outfit who were apprehended by Caretaker government were released by Punjab Government. I think there were reports that Mr Sana Ullah is the head of Punjabi Taliban , Mr Sana ullah had been in close association with Lej . Please search the net , you will get all your answers
Hassan, i know this…but its just one incident…why was ishaq released frm quetta many a times…its not only PML N , its other forces too…Do you think if our agencies want and they cant stop??
I was listening the interview of Khalifa (Killer of Surgeon General Mushtaq) , who was caught injured after attack on GHQ . He was saying that I did a recce of GHQ for 6 months. I gathered weapons from pindi , i arranged an ambulance and got it Army Colour and then i carried out attacks !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Rubab , i want to ask you that Khalifa lived in pindi for 6 months with whom?????????/ He got food from where? from where he got the ambulance???????/ From where he got it oainted in Army colour???????????? I think it was not agencies , then who were they who supported Khalifa????????????
lets suppose it was under some political protection…..so Pakistan Army could not have a clue what will happen? Out agencies do not have enough information or they are incapable??…
Problem is on both sides but Army is blamed more beaucause they have more power to control it and they are taking huge amount of budget for this…………if they are so incapable at least there shud be a reduction in budget and we civilians get something else done in country……
An answer regarding your Query of Forces Budget . 0ur Army consists of 7 lac people , lets say 2 lacs are engaged in seven agencies of Fata , 1 and a half lac are engaged in Kashmir , 1 and half lac at eastern Borders . Lets say 1 lac Agency guys are their to look after/checking the culprits out of 180 Million people . Let me tell you the working of Mossad , as per Israel constitution , every jew doesn’t matter he is in which part of the world is support to help Mossad in every aspect lets say money , man power or physical needs (They do it and that’s why they are so much successful). Here in Pakistan , the problem is that , you people crib against your own forces only , you don’t help them out , you crib against Pakistani defence budget which is 627 Billion Rupees and then you say that compete with US Army/Agencies , whose defense budget is 697 Billion Dollars , Have some heart my friend . The Military or Agency Guys are not some Ginnie s, they need your support to rectify the things , If you people can’t help them then at least don’t crib against them. Since 2008 , your civilian political government is at Function, what laurels they have brought??????????????????????????/
I am really ashamed to say that it seems, Pak Army is the real culprit.
Otherwise, they are so incompetent that they should be dismantled.
Security institutions do not need instructions from civilian govt to stop violence. They are paid to do it automatically. They just do not want to do it.
Pak Army is using Lashkare-Jhangvi to pull away foot soldiers from BLA. BLA targets mainly building and infrastructure such as gas pipelines etc. They only kill humans when someone defies their call for strike. IT is LJ that kills indiscriminate human.
Talat don’t forget he MKA is also a part of problem, further, to whom he is pointing his finger is true to some extent, if they r not involved then this problem should be solved, I must say in one wing of a bird there are many feathers?
@ Aamir , Lolzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, You are so funny man If Army do the things then you start raising hugh and cries of missing person , The karachi ranger case , in which the mobile snatcher was shot by rangers , you people saw the edited video and started blabing that Ranger guy is cruel bla bla . Later it was revealed that the guy was mobile snatcher . My Dear Aamir Sahab , its easy to comment while sitting on net , in AC Room and cribbing against own forces . While doing cribbing against Army , don’t forget that someone is standing at Border , in snow in heat to safeguard you and your family. Now , please don’t say that Army people are paid to do that , If they are defending their motherland for only pay then i will you double the amount, Plesae pass 1 month at Siachin or Wana or Mohmand or Khyber !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
if they r standing on border its not its not something that v 4got everything & not make them accountable. they do not join army under some compulsion, they cum on their free will to hav a better future. their generations changed due to this job. v spent maximum of this poor nation on their allaly tallay & corruption. our parents spend their hard earned money to educate us but they r free, health free, housing free, careers to their below average children on our expense, free travelling, hw they misuse even free tele fone service v knw, plots , foreign trips, sacking of govt illegally. its a loooooonnnnng list. plz v dont need them. do not stand on borders for God sake. multi-billion economy they r enjoying & wt v got bangladesh, fata prblm, afghanistan prblm, they can’t handle terrorists, they can only usurp power. plz stay at home, if u do not knw where usama bin ladan hiding, u can’t safeguard navy head quarters even GHQ & no heads roll. where in the world no accountability of military, they r even punished for their personal affairs. u r absolutely good for nothing
@ Tayyaba Rana , there is a compulsion for them to join Army , Because they want to defend their motherland , You talk about corruption, lolzzzzzzzzzz tell mw which Army General is having more money then Nawaz Shariff or Mr Zardari???????????? Tell me which Army General is living on a 300 Kanal house as Mr Imran Khan is living??????? Health or Education is free?????????? Lolz, please improve your information that even Army Public Schools charge money from Army Officer children same package as of Beacon or City(Please go and have a round and ask them , you will come to know) Still you say that Health and education is free (Which is not), in all International Organizations like USAID , UN or multinationals like Uni Lever or even at Engro foods , it is free . How much you are paying to a serving Army Major ???????? Just 56 or 60, 000 PKR . which is a one day earning of a government office clerk . You talk about the the attacks on GHQ and Naval Head quarter ???????? Do you know even the definition of cantonment that , it is “A place for armed living and supposed to be appx 5 Km away from civilian population”. Pindi GHQ was built in 1950′s and a petition was lodged by the civil people that we want to live in the near vicinity of GHQ . Late Zia ul Haq agreed to that and now we can see the impacts of that wrong doing that Army can’t check everyone at the cantonment gate otherwise the civilian people will raise hugh and cries and resultantly the terrorists are able to come inside . Why all the civilian people shift towards Cantonment ? Because they know that it is a safe place to live . In Kahuta (Pakistan Atomic Plant) there is no civil population, it is the most sensitive place in Pakistan , why there is none attack on it???????????????? Because the civilians are not allowed there. You talk about Usama bin Laden presence , lolzzzzz , you are funny . Pakistan’s defence budget is 6 billion dollar , USA defence Budget is 697 Billion Dollar, if US were not able to find Usama till 2010/11 then how can Pakistan forces ???????????? Usama was living in the house after giving bribe (60, 000) to a Pakistani “Patwari” , Was that patwari a Army person??????? Will you allow forces to search your houses??????????? Will you allow agencies to tap your phone ? no you won’t . will you allow forces to investigate with a suspicious person? no you won’t (If agencies will then then wwyou will raise cries of missiing persons ) , and if you won’t then tell me that me that majic through which agencies will find out the culprits ?????????
your sentiments seem to be on the high side when it comes to pakistan army/rangers. lets agree for the sake of argument that the guy who was gunned down by the rangers was a mobile snacher, but could you justify that they killed somebody who was brought before them and was not in a state of fighting or war? if they are the one to procecute then what is this whole judicial system about? which law allows death penalty for alleged robbery?
Snatching the mobile or even killing a person never allow a ranger to shot dead an unarmored person.
Same they did again and this time the the victim had only one crime: he did not stop at check post.
Rangers or police they are all bloody.
But I admire Pak army specially the low rank officers. Salute to them.
Please read the international law of justice , even read the Pakistani law of police , any culprit during police investigation/apprehension if tried to delay the process or try to hold the weapon of officer present at the site . The In charge present is allowed to shoot the culprit . If you watch the video with a neutral (not biased eye) although the video is edited , still there are at least three times when the Mobile snatcher was touching the weapon of Ranger guys
@Hassan: your sentiments seem to be on the high side when it comes to pakistan army/rangers. lets agree for the sake of argument that the guy who was gunned down by the rangers was a mobile snacher, but could you justify that they killed somebody who was brought before them and was not in a state of fighting or war? if they are the one to procecute then what is this whole judicial system about? which law allows death penalty for alleged robbery?
@ Ishfaq, Please read the international law of justice , even read the Pakistani law of police , any culprit during police investigation/apprehension if tried to delay the process or try to hold the weapon of officer present at the site . The In charge present is allowed to shoot the culprit . If you watch the video with a neutral (not biased eye) although the video is edited , still there are at least three times when the Mobile snatcher was touching the weapon of Ranger guys. Why this video was uploaded in edited form ???????? The mobile snatcher was the brother of a media guy . I want to ask just one question, i was watching report when the media was telling that the guy was matriculate , was not doing anything . so can you answer a simple question of mine , that when the guy was not doing aany job and when he used to took thousand of money to his home then why you or his family didn’t ask from him that from where he is getting this much money??????????????
So if the person killed by rangers was a culprit, he can be shoot by rangers??? if army does an operation , they can miss persons without any trials??? do you seriously dunt understand this???
its not that army is doing something means they take law in their hands and they are above all law…..if they are on borders its their JOB, for which they are paid….The passion for motherland is equal in all pakistanis….the 40thousand killed in this war are also pakistanis….Nobody is above law, civilians or army personels, that is what our dear forces dunt understand…stop thinking for yourself as Gods of the country
@ Ishfaq & Specially Rubab , i am so sorry on your lack of information. Plesae read the international law of justice , even read the Pakistani law of police , any culprit during police investigation/apprehension if tried to delay the process or try to hold the weapon of officer present at the site . The Incharge present is allowed to shoot the culprit . If you watch the video with a neutral (not biased eye) although the video is edited , still there are atleast three times when the Mobile snatcher was touching the weapon of Ranger guys . @ Rubab , i was knowing that you will utter about pay , lolzzzz i will give you double pay , have some shit and spend 1 month at Siachin or wana . Passion for motherland is equal in all Pakistani’s !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Rubab its not in you , i remeber a saying of great Salah ud Din Ayubi , he said “If you want to conquer some city or country , then poison the minds of nation against their forces”
@Hasan…i think you need to see the video with unbiased eye…i know all these laws….if you have full video you are welcomed to share here..the amount of TOUCH as you say for the gun by that man is not enough to justify a murder…rest you can share
You see the language you use such as ‘utter’, …thats the problem with FAUJI MINDSET…..you people are not trained to listen you are just trained with an immense superiority feeling…
How can you judge who is more patriotic….No one is forced to join Pak Army, those who do it is because of their passion and offcourse love for the country and love for a good FAUJI life…
All professions are different and have different liabilities, Traitors are everywhere even in Army and intelligence…you are no one to measure the patriotism of anyone…
The hard part of jobs that Army do , everyone appreciates that and people in general love their army fellows….but stop thinking yourself as GOD of Pakistan…its not so…Army in every developed country has its limits, which are to be defined in pakistan as well..its a difficult process and will take time…and never forget that all these talibans and dehshatgerdi are a mess by none other than our army…their survival is in conflicts of the country…
its better to accept reality and then move forward..its no more time for emotionalism..
My Dear Rubab , the movie was shared by many channels , you can search it on net and for that you have to right some words at Google, You will get the video plus the aftermath articles as well :). You talked about my language , please first see the language you are continuously using against Military . You say about Good life , lolzzzz , a sweeper in an INGO Sector/US AID /UN Department in Pakistan is getting more pay than an Army fellow . In Officer class of Army at least 90 Percent join’s Army for the patriotism and passion to serve and die for their country. There are Officers who are the only son of their parents , who are wealthy but still they opt for Army because they love their motherland . They don’t sit on net only and raise slogans about Patriotism. Regarding your comment about God and emotionality , lolzzzzz , their is a belief in Military . The normally quote a saying of our beloved Holy Prophet (S.W) “Jis Aankh nay mere ummat kay leay 1 raat pehra dia woh Bakshi gai, Jis Haath nay mere Ummat kay leay 1 Baar Hathiyar Uthaya woh Baksha gaya” . My Dear Rubab , this above quoted saying is the difference . Good luck
Moreover…Criticising Army does not mean people hate army….No one is above criticism….Criticizing army does not mean one is an enemy of country….its not and shud not be a sin in the country….thats what you need to understand.
@ Tayyaba Rana , there is a compulsion for them to join Army , Because they want to defend their motherland , You talk about corruption, lolzzzzzzzzzz tell mw which Army General is having more money then Nawaz Shariff or Mr Zardari???????????? Tell me which Army General is living on a 300 Kanal house as Mr Imran Khan is living??????? Health or Education is free?????????? Lolz, please improve your information that even Army Public Schools charge money from Army Officer children same package as of Beacon or City(Please go and have a round and ask them , you will come to know) Still you say that Health and education is free (Which is not), in all International Organizations like USAID , UN or multinationals like Uni Lever or even at Engro foods , it is free . How much you are paying to a serving Army Major ???????? Just 56 or 60, 000 PKR . which is a one day earning of a government office clerk . You talk about the the attacks on GHQ and Naval Head quarter ???????? Do you know even the definition of cantonment that , it is “A place for armed living and supposed to be appx 5 Km away frok civilian population”. Pindi GHQ was built in 1950’s and a petition was lodged by the civil people that we want to live in the near vicinity of GHQ . Late Zia ul Haq agreed to that and now we can see the impacts of that wrong doing that Army can’t check everyone at the cantonment gate otherwise the civilian people will raise hugh and cries . Why all the civilian people shift towards Cantonment ? In Kahuta (Pakistan Atomic Plant) there is no civil population, it is the most sensitive place in Pakistan , why there is none attack on that???????????????? You talk about Usama bin Laden presence , lolzzzzz , you are funny . Pakistan’s defence budget is 6 billion dollar , USA defence Budget is 697 Billion Dollar, if US were not able to find Usama till 2010/11 then how can Pakistan forces ???????????? Usama was living in the house after giving bribe (60, 000) to a Pakistani “Patwari” , That patwari was not a Army person??????? Will you allow forces to search your houses??????????? No you won’t , and if you won’t then tell me that how they will find out the culprits ?????????
ABSOLUTELY RIGHT ……… THESE ARE NOT ALLEGATIONS BUT THE REAL TRUTH. ISI DEVELOPED AND PROMOTE SSP WHERE AS IB WAS THE SUPPORTER OF ISO. THAT IS THE BEHAVIOR WEAKENING PAKISTAN.
Actual issue of duty to provide protection to ppl of Pakistan?
The duty belongs to intelegence/police/FC/levies and army etc
Who is powerfull out of all the groups, MI+ISI they depend on Mukhbari system in all the areas
Now Quetta have two enteance one exit to sindh and one entrance from chamman and taftan by one road and their are every KM checkposts of FC and police
Whole province full of smuggling of import and export w./o taxes and making money with the support of kufia persons
have to control and as per law becouse they dont want rule in province.once it is applied than they cant get money
Mehmood khan achakzai is the only brave politician of the present time who always speaks the truth with out any fear.this time he once again present the factual position.he is absolutely correct k ye agencya ghadle pani me bhi soee nekal deti he laken mulk ke halat rozana harab se harab tar ho rahe he or yr loog etne marat lene ke bawajood kuch bhi nhi ker paye..ALLAH keep achakzai sb in his safe custody,,becos it is very difficult here in pakistan to speak the truth especially agaainst talibans and agencies
Is this man worth a comment? Really?”بنا ھے شاہ کا مصاحب پھرے ھے اتراتا” واہ صاحب، واہ، اب يہ بھی سچ کی بات کرتے ھيں۔ اور اچکزئ صاحب سے سوال پوچھتے ھيں۔ “ھو چکی غالب بلاييں سب تمام، ۔۔۔۔۔ ايک مرگ ناگہانی اور ھے”۔ کيا زمانہ آگيا؟ کہ ڈکٹيٹروں کے چھيلے جمہوريت کے رکھوالوں پر جرح کرنے کے قابل ھوگۓ۔ “شرم تم کو مگر نہيں آتی”۔
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